Authentic Achievements with Special Guest Mark S A Smith
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Full Transcript Authentic Achievements with Special Guest Mark S A Smith
Authentic Achievements Mark S A Smith
Kim-adele
00:00:10
Hello, and welcome to this episode of authentic achievements where it’s my absolute privilege to be joined by the fabulous Mark S A Smith. Our after a successful career, helping bring to bring to market billions of dollars of disruptive technology. Mark now works with vision makers to turn market challenges into market leaders. His work with C-suite leaders has determined them to transform their business from a market challenger into a market leader in three years or less. And he also has got such a huge passion for people for humanity and for authenticity. I’m. So looking forward to this conversation, Mark. Welcome.
Mark
00:00:52
Thank you, Kim. I am delighted to be here. Let’s shake up the world.
Kim-adele
00:00:57
Absolutely. I love that. Was it Gandhi? Who said in a, in our own small way we can shake the world. And I think that’s what we are here to do. Isn’t it is to see how we could make things different. If we could just connect more with who we are and what we are here to do. So could we start by sharing a little bit with us please? About your journey so far?
Mark
00:01:21
Oh my goodness. It’s been a very long journey. I’m into my seventh se decade. I’m on this planet and been through so many seasons, so much learning, and it has brought me to the place where I appreciate peace and quiet. I appreciate high quality conversations and I appreciate perspective. And so, you know, there’s, there’s lots and lots of seasons we go through, right? We go through our, our childhood season, our college season, our family raising season, our business season are wind down the business season and then wind up our Sage them season. And so while I know that doesn’t leave you with a lot of specific details. I don’t think the details freaking matter.
Kim-adele
00:02:10
No, I, I love that, but I, what I love is that in each of those seasons we learn don’t we, we, we learn more, which is what leads us to our ageism season, because we can only really get there if we learn the lessons on the way
Mark
00:02:27
That’s exactly right. Stay alive, learn the lessons on the way that’s. That’s true. And I think, I think the point here is very clear. We, you know, we have lessons every day if we choose. And the question is, how do you approach that lesson? Are you gonna approach it with joy? Are you gonna approach it with trepidation? Are you gonna approach it from adventure of view of adventure? And it really, it really doesn’t matter much that the adventure is guaranteed. Yeah, yeah. Yes.
Kim-adele
00:02:58
The adventure’s gonna happen whether we learn from it or not. And, and, and one thing that I’ve learned is if you don’t learn the lesson, life repeats it for you.
Mark
00:03:07
Oh. A whole lot. Louder and louder yet louder yet until you finally
Kim-adele
00:03:14
It’s here
Mark
00:03:15
Until either you learn it or you die, it’s gonna be one or the other.
Kim-adele
00:03:18
Absolutely. So what would, how have you experienced the value of authenticity on your journey so far?
Mark
00:03:26
Well, when we all start off, we are absolutely authentic, authentic, 100% authentic when we’re born, when we’re a young child, we are who we are and our personality emerges. So clearly I have a, a new granddaughter and her personality is starting to emerge. And it’s such a beautiful thing to see because her personality is absolutely perfect. And then as we progress, we reach this, this stage where we feel, you know, we’re not getting all the love that we should be getting. And this happens to everybody. I, I’m not getting the love I need, whether it’s because another sibling came along or parents are having problems or there’s, there’s a bazillion reasons why. And so we start to search for reasons to, to increase the amount of love that comes our way. And then we look for things that are going to do so, and in my case, I became smart. When I was a smart little guy, I got a little bit more attention from people. And so my authenticity drifted away into, you know, I need to be the smartest guy in the room.
Kim-adele
00:04:35
Yeah.
Mark
00:04:36
And so instead of being the most joyful guy in the room, which was what I was as a child, I had to become the smartest guy in the room. And that put a lot of pressure on me. And it also turned me into a jerk because I was always correcting everybody else because they were wrong and I was right. And I knew it and I could prove it. And that authenticity of course, took me sideway the sideways because it kept me from really connecting with other human beings. I could connect with other people who were also smart because they were having the same situation and us swapping our smartness was what we did. But that, that was really the beginning. I think all of us have a situation where we lose our authenticity because we take on a mask in an attempt to bring more love into our life. And then the rest of our lifetime is, is about pulling that mask off and reestablishing who we really are, which is the most joyful guy in the room.
Kim-adele
00:05:33
It’s so true though, isn’t it? You know, I, I, my little girl’s five and you know, her personality’s coming out and, and I found myself, you know, even just in the last five years, she’s the happiest little soul bless her. And she used to walk along, waving at people, the industry chatting to them. And, and every fiber of me wanted to go, all people think she’s pretentious, don’t stop her, stop her. Don’t do that. And I was like, she’s a little kid, and she’s just happy to see them. Like, just let her be. Don’t start layering on your own concerns with what other people may or may not think about because she’s perfect as she is. She’s just curious and intrigued and happy and wanting to spread joy, but you’re right. We move away from that journey. Don’t we, we go and stop being the person that, that we start out being for you being the most, you know, joyful person in the room. And we go and wed ourselves to another version of us that we think is going to be more, more giving of getting love more acceptable to the world around us. So what is it that you think drives us to be so afraid of being authentically, who we are?
Mark
00:06:48
Well, when we’re young, this is a, a genius maneuver to allow us to navigate a world where if we don’t receive love, we will die. And so, you know, when we’re young, this is, this is absolutely appropriate, absolutely normal. And unfortunately we don’t know better. This is our defense mechanism and no matter how good our parents are, this happens. It’s just universal. It’s what sets up the human experience, quite frankly. And I think that as we grow older, we don’t know what authenticity is anymore. And we look around, we find the most popular person. We try to copy them. And as a professional speaker, I’d look around, see the most, the most popular speaker and try to copy them. And of course, none of that ever works ever, ever does that work. But I think what we’re trying to do is we’re trying to imitate success.
Mark
00:07:44
Yeah. You know, we, you know, people say, you know, that’s a good, that’s an exemplar of good that person’s behavior is good and so, or desirable or funny, or, or rich or famous. And then when we attempt to imitate them, and I think that that’s, that’s the challenge. And so if we drill down a level down, if we, so the, the issue is why are we afraid of authenticity? It’s because we don’t know our own value. And instead we substitute somebody else’s value for our own value to find your own value is frightening because what if you drill down and there’s nothing there.
Kim-adele
00:08:29
Yeah. So it’s so true, isn’t it? Cause we, we all fear irrelevance that we might not be that good, but I, I read somewhere and I can’t remember. I can’t remember who it was that said this, that said that deep down, it’s not our darkness that really scares us. It’s our light it’s that we might be really, really good at something. And that’s scary cause that brings with it responsibility because you, if you’re really good at it, your, your role is to then share that with the world and, and that can be a scary place. Does that? Sure,
Mark
00:09:06
Sure can. Yeah, I think, I think so. I, I think another element is that those things that are easy for us, we see as lower value and those things that are hard for us as higher value yet the reality is between what you find easy in, what other people find hard, lies your value to the world.
Kim-adele
00:09:33
Yeah. Yeah. I love that. That I, I remember somebody sharing with me many years ago where it’s like, what you’ve gotta do is find your natural talent and sometimes your natural talent doesn’t feel very talented. Does it? I remember.
Mark
00:09:47
Well, cause it’s easy.
Kim-adele
00:09:49
Yeah. Yeah.
Mark
00:09:50
It’s why everybody can do this
Kim-adele
00:09:52
It’s thing. You find that, that like, it just takes no effort until you start to observe other people and how easy or not they find it. And to your point, you know, just cuz you find it really easy. If they find it really difficult, that’s where you can add values where you can help because you can share with them how you, you know, how you do it, how you go into a space and, and just open up because that way we all grow. Don’t we
Mark
01:10:21
Spot on.
Kim-adele
01:10:22
What do you see as being the path to authenticity? If people are fearful at the moment, they’re, they’re not being true to themselves, they’re not stepping into their light. How do they get started in working out what that is and then moving towards it?
Mark
01:10:39
Well, ideally you would disappear for a few months and live your life alone with no influence from anybody else. And from that would emerge your preferences and your desires. Unfortunately, very few people have that opportunity unless they’re a monk or are a nun. So the alternative is to journal one of the best ways to help uncover your authenticity is to journal, journal, your thoughts, journal, your fears, journal, your joys, journal, your desires. And from that, you’ll be able to look back and, and find a path with what is working for you. What’s not working for, for you. What are the interactions that bring you joy? What are the interactions that bring you fear? And so from that, and perhaps with some mentoring, from somebody who has some psychological training and they can help you tap into your true wisdom and find that authenticity. So I think that’s, that’s a, a good path. The second thing is once you identify what, what, well let’s actually go back a step further. It starts with a determination to be authentic. I am determined to be the person who I truly am without the influence from others that I thought were who I wish to be. And so we, we have to start with a determination to know the truth about ourselves. And then the journaling is a tool that will help us reveal the truth about ourselves.
Kim-adele
01:12:21
I love that. That makes, that makes such sense. Doesn’t it? Because very often we, we are that busy trying to be something that we are not that we don’t give any real thought or credence to our own thinking to our own belief system, because we are too busy mimicking of this and finding ourselves lacking. I think it was Oscar world that said, be yourself, everyone else is taken. We spend all of our time desperately trying to fit in and be like other people don’t we, and that journey back to self that journey back to who am I? Who do I want to be? How do I want to show up in the world? And am I doing that can be scary. Can’t him?
Mark
01:13:08
Well, it could be scary because we’re afraid that our identity might change or that our relationships might change. And we have relationships with people that right now support our livelihood, whether it’s our boss or our customers or our family or spouse or, or whoever it happens to be. And what if I change and what if they don’t like that change? And if that’s the case, then what happens? You know, do I lose my family? Do I lose my job? And of course all this circles down to, I might die. And so I think that some people get held in the stasis of their authenticity because they believe that’s the mask they have to wear to live, to survive. And that actually goes back to the very beginning. We put that mask on because we felt that was the mask that was required for us to survive. And then we never get to the point where we take off the mask because we feel that that’s, what’s required to survive, realizing the mask that we wore attracted all those people into our lives.
Mark
01:14:10
Yeah. And so I think it’s scary because we have to take our mask off and see what people are going to do around us. And the reality is yes, you may lose people. Yes. You may need to find a new job. Yes. You may temporarily lose your family. You may permanently lose your family who knows. But the question then is what’s most important is your, is you living to your full potential most important? Or is it you pleasing somebody else that’s most important? And I think a lot of people get into this false loop where I wanna make my spouse happy because that makes me happy. And my spouse wants to make me happy cause it makes them happy. But the problem is is that we that’s a negative feedback loop. That just goes absolutely crazy. Or I’m sorry. Positive feedback loop. That goes absolutely crazy because nobody really knows who pleases what pleases anyone.
Kim-adele
01:15:04
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause they’re both trying to inadvertently, it’s like the loop of infinity, isn’t it? Nope. It’s got no beginning of no end. You don’t know whether or not you’ve achieved or you’ve not achieved because that’s you does.
Mark
01:15:19
That’s right. And that’s really the, the, the true definition of codependence is that I need you to make me happy and you need me to make you happy, but we don’t know what makes each other happy. We don’t even know what makes ourselves happy. And I think one of the things that, that keeps us locked in authentic or inauthentic behavior or identity is that we are, we are influenced by what we think. Other people think we believe that other people’s thoughts about us will make us happy. What other people think about us will make us happy. But the reality is most people’s thoughts. Don’t make them happy.
Kim-adele
01:16:00
That is so true. And that really is true, isn’t it? Yeah. We often almost give up accountability for what we think about something and, and give it to the other person and say, well, you know, as long as they like me, as long as they like what we’ve done, as long as they think this is a good thing, then I’ll think it’s a good thing. Even if we’re miserable because it’s not really adding anything to us and what we want.
Mark
01:16:27
That’s right.
Kim-adele
01:16:31
Yeah. I think my dog has decided to chew something.
Mark
01:16:34
Well, of course, because that’s what dogs do. Your dog is just being authentic. Your dog wants to be with you and chew the two things that dogs do.
Kim-adele
01:16:46
Absolutely. And he has decided in his authentic self, which I’m embracing today that he has, he’s decided he’s gonna meander in and come and sit with us. But that’s okay because that is about us being authentically who we are, but it’s it’s right. You know, moments like this would normally, if I think back a couple of years, they would’ve filled me with absolute dread cause I’ve been like, oh my goodness. It’s not perfect. It’s not, I haven’t got it. All right. I haven’t ensured that. Actually he was somewhere where he couldn’t get in. Despite the fact, if I’d done that he’d have been barking his head off anyway, instead of going well, actually we can just be real and present and authentically who we are. And that’s quite a liberating space to get. Once you get to it, isn’t it, it can be quite liberating to say, actually, this is just who I am and this is, this means I’m not gonna try and be my very best self every day, but I’m gonna allow myself to be human.
Mark
01:17:47
Yes, indeed. And the, the challenge is that in the past we said, this is not perfect and I’m gonna be judged for my imperfection. And therefore my value is going to drop and geez, they may not wanna work with me again and I might die. It all goes down to, I might die. It’s where all the stuff goes to.
Kim-adele
01:18:08
One of the things I, I love that one of the things I used to say to myself, but I still say to myself before I have to make any decision that feels uncomfortable is what’s the worst that can happen. And can I live with it? Because then you, you kind of like, I guess you taking yourself out of that and I might die space. You know, I remember the first time I had to go and get rid of somebody and I was like, what’s the worst that can happen. Well, they’re probably not gonna kill me. It’s not that good, a job job, you know? So that’s not likely to happen. They might punch me in the face. That’d be a bit awful, but I’d survive, you know, but, but you kinda like talk to myself down off the ledge of being able to be comfortable to go and do it on a, is it the right thing to do? Is it, is it the most responsible thing to do? And can I live with any adverse outcome? What advice have you got for anybody to give them their confidence to step into their authentic self?
Mark
01:19:00
Oh, I, I think that first of all, recognizing your authentic self lives, the easiest, most joyfilled most peace filled life. And so if you’re sick and tired of feeling, angst of feeling, anxiety, of feeling dread of, of being concerned about the future in a negative sense, then you have to ask yourself, is this really worth it? Is, is all of this negative feeling that makes me feel sick and, and just choose up all my life, energy and joy that I have to anesthetize myself with alcohol and, and weed and porn or whatever else it is that you’re using to distract yourself from your anxiety. Is it worth it? And, and there, there will come a point in time where you’ll say, this sucks, this, this waking up every Sunday morning with a hangover, just absolutely sucks. And I think I need to do something different. And then that is going to trigger your road to authenticity where you say I’m gonna clean out all. That’s not me. Yeah. And so I think it happens. It happens when we are fed up with the illusion of the mask and, and it’s about the only way that it can happen.
Kim-adele
02:20:37
So is it almost like, sorry, this is fascinating. Almost like actually once what it’s costing us is greater than what it’s giving us will the change because we get something don’t we, by not taking that path, you know, by being like somebody else. So, you know, either we can be the victim or we can be right, they can be wrong. Or, but we’ve always got a payback for whatever we’re thinking, which is why often we think it. And it’s only, I guess when the payback becomes significantly lower than the cost that we get uncomfortable enough that it’s like, I’m not doing this anymore.
Mark
02:21:18
Yeah. I’m not doing this anymore. That’s
Kim-adele
02:21:20
Right. This isn’t balance this isn’t right. I need to do a something different because if I don’t, this is gonna be it. Yeah.
Mark
02:21:29
And that’s when relationships end, that’s when people leave their jobs, that’s when people pack up their car and just disappear is it gets to the point where the cost of maintaining the mask is too high. And a lot of times the, the disconnect is messy because they don’t see any other option.
Kim-adele
02:21:51
Yeah.
Kim-adele
02:21:53
But yeah, it, because it’s that one of the things I’ve I’ve learned over the years is that people don’t hurt us on purpose. The fact is they’re going through their own pain and they probably don’t even think about us. They’re just dealing with their own pain. And therefore, if you start layering in what it’s meant to you, you get sometimes that reaction, like hold on. I was dealing with where I was with my frustration. And once I’ve realized that people weren’t hurting me on purpose, it became so much easier to step away from the pain to say, look, actually they’re dealing with their own pain. The kindest thing I can do right now is not add my pain to it. Not make it about me, cuz it’s about them right now and recognize, therefore it’s not about me and be able to, to move in a different space, but it took a lot of years to get to that spot, to recognize that people hadn’t got up in the morning and gone. I wonder how to make his life miserable because I’m not that important. The first thing that we’re doing is how do I make my life really good? Not how do I make somebody else is really miserable.
Mark
02:23:00
I, I think you’re right. And there is an exception to the rule. Yeah. What we’re seeing in world politics is revenge legislation where P politicians are proposing legislation to punish their opposites for what they perceive as being trespasses. And while I think this is a dangerous path that we are on revenge legislation, it’s just the most ludicrous thing. And hopefully smoother waters are ahead and cooler heads will prevail. But I think that, yes, in general, we’re not thinking about how can we injure people, but there are exceptions to that rule and we have to be very careful of it. And we have to, in some ways we have to avoid that very carefully.
Kim-adele
02:23:55
Yeah, no that’s yeah, that is so true. I mean with every rule, there’s an exception isn’t there. But I think in the, you know, in the main I’ve found in, in life that, you know, people’s intentions are their intentions vulnerable, their impact might be, but they were trying to do a good thing. They were trying to achieve something, even if they are way off the mark with what actually happened. And if we can seek to be passionately curious, instead of seeking to judge, then we open up the opportunity to help both people to succeed. Don’t we?
Mark
02:24:30
Yeah, indeed. Yes. And curious curiosity is the, it’s the antidote to judgment and of course judgment both personally, I’m not perfect. That’s a judgment. And as well as with our relationships, you know, why, wow, why do you, why do you do that? Why do you choose that? Why do you take that particular approach? I’m curious because I’m obviously missing some thought process that you’re involving to take that particular action from where I’m standing. It it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s strange. So help me understand. Yeah. And so curiosity really is the antidote to feeling to grievances.
Kim-adele
02:25:19
Yeah. I love, I love that. And I, I find as well, being curious with myself, so as well as going in, why talk to me about that? Why do you think that, what are you seeing that I’m not seeing as to why you’ve come up with that? So seeking to be curious, but also with myself, why am I saying that? Why am I thinking that what is it that’s causing me to take this action has really helped me get more grounded with kind of what’s going on. Cause I think before I was a little bit on autopilot, I think it, therefore it is as opposed to being curious about, well, why do I think it, what whats causing that? Because that might be the opportunity for me to develop and grow and do something different.
Mark
02:26:00
Well, I think a lot of our habits are installed by imitating others. We, it starts at childhood. Whereas, you know, we imitate how our parents eat and you know, your child will learn how to eat with a knife in her right hand and a fork in her left hand and an American child will learn how to eat with a fork in their right hand and not use a knife except to cut something. And that’s pure imitation.
Kim-adele
02:26:30
Yeah. Yeah. I, I not thought that so, so true. Isn’t it? Cause we, we look at these things when my little girl bless her, pulls off is like a little mini me. I mean, I hear it myself in the statements that she makes and in the decisioning that she does, but that’s all learned behavior because that’s right. We we’re looking for it. Aren’t we we’re, we’re looking to see how you do something so that we can grow and, and develop the same way. And, and sometimes that can be the most massive eye opening here, come back with a, a particular sentence or she’s got this stare, which I know is mine, which is, I don’t have to say anything. The luck is going to be enough that, you know, to stop what you’re doing right now and take a different choice. And, and I spot it back in her and I’m like, you’re fine.
Kim-adele
02:27:18
I’m like, that’s like, but I, I realize that’s mine. I’ve I have shown her that a good way to stop behavior that you, that you’re not appreciating is not to say a word, but to just like, look like, give the look and, and that will be enough for you to take pauses. But it’s interesting seeing yourself played back through your child, isn’t it? Because you see, you see yourself magnified because they they’re playacting to it. So they ham it up a little bit more. So it’s like you on steroids and you’re like, oh, that’s some behavior I possibly need to modify. So not a good one.
Mark
02:28:05
Yes. Indeed. Children turned me from a jerk into somebody who was lovable. I raised five with my wife and my children are probably my, my greatest achievement because they, each with different personalities have achieved adulthood where they are each successful in their own unique way. And they each are living their life, their own unique way. And for me, that’s an absolute joy.
Kim-adele
02:28:39
That’s amazing. That’s all we want for our kids. Isn’t it? That they, that they live their life their way and hopefully doing so in a way that is kind to themselves and kind to others. Cause I think sometimes that’s the part that gets missed is that you need to be kind to yourself as much as to be kind to others. And when we think about that from a, from a, you know, what’s the right action to take here, is it kind to me? Is it kind to everybody else? What’s the best route through then? I guess we, we find our way back to our authentic path.
Mark
02:29:14
I, well, I think we find ourselves our, our way back to our goodness. Yeah. And, and hopefully that is a part of your authentic self is that goodness and kindness. And I think your observation is spot on, which is the best thing we can do is raise kind children.
Kim-adele
02:29:33
Yeah.
Mark
02:29:34
That is the best thing we can do because the world requires kindness to operate. Yeah,
Kim-adele
02:29:40
It does. And kindness is free. You know, we should spread that stuff everywhere, but I think we’ve gotta have it front of mind. First. We what’s the kindest thing that I can do right now for all concerned. And I was really bad for many years, including myself in that equation. So I would do what is kind for everybody else here. And, and actually you have to put yourself back in that equation, don’t you for it to be sustainable.
Mark
03:30:04
Indeed it does. If we can’t, we can’t get sick enough to help other people heal. We can’t be poor enough enough to help other people succeed. That just doesn’t, it doesn’t work that way. We have to operate from an abundance of what we’re trying to bring to others or illustrate to others. Yeah. And yet I think the martyrdom that you’re you’re explaining here was modeled to us when we were young by somebody in our life. It could have been a grandmother or an aunt or an uncle or father or mother. It doesn’t really matter, but that martyrdom is modeled. And of course they were of the idea that self-sacrifice was a holy or desirable thing, which is a commonly taught a commonly taught behavior by those who wish to control others.
Kim-adele
03:30:56
Yeah.
Mark
03:30:57
Martyrdom does not, does not benefit the martyr.
Kim-adele
03:31:04
No, it, it doesn’t and it’s not sustainable is it’s true. Isn’t it that, you know, the only things that are, that are guaranteed in life is that we’ll be born and that we’ll die. And the bit in between is, is like anybody anybody’s to kind of move through. I think all we can do is, is kind of own each moment and try and leave it better than we found it and become the best version of ourselves.
Mark
03:31:41
Yeah. Either that or a rape and pillage and just have one hell of a party, but that’s probably not sustainable
Kim-adele
03:31:54
Would find its route to a natural end. Mark. You are an absolute joy. I could chat to you all day, but on last question for, for today’s podcast and I would love if you would come back on and do another, cuz I think we’ve only scratched the surface, but the last one for today is if you could go back and give your younger self some advice, what would it be?
Mark
03:32:15
It would be young man, right now you think you’re right, but you’re not because you don’t have sufficient perspective. You need more perspective before you decide what is right.
Kim-adele
03:32:33
I love that such great, great advice. And already I’m thinking for myself of how that’s so insightful for things I’m facing and challenging, which is actually, how do you get more perspective before we just decide that we know the answer? Can we seek to see things from other people’s point of view because there is, and for every reaction there is an equal and opposite reaction. So for everything that is true, the exact opposite could also be true. And how do we get ourselves into that space of being curious enough to find out
Mark
03:33:09
Yes, indeed. And so getting outta the need to be right and getting into the need to be curious is how we gain perspective and perspective can be gained by thought experiments. What if I did take this standpoint? What might it be? And then there’s a whole experience you can play out in your mind of exploring that perspective or having conversations with people you disagree with or having, or reading things that you don’t normally read and, and, and understanding a different perspective. And yes, you might believe that their perspective is insane and it just might be yet. That’s said you still need to understand their perspective.
Kim-adele
03:33:53
Yeah. Oh, I love it. Always, always such a joy Mark. Thank you so much for coming on. How can people get in touch with you?
Mark
03:34:02
Oh my gosh. Why would they want to do that? Because they might die. Probably the best way to get ahold of me is through LinkedIn marks on linkedin.com, M a R K S on linkedin.com will take you to directly to my profile. Or you can search for Mark SA Smith. If you don’t use the SA, you will never find me. And I’d say, Hey, you know, I, I saw you on the authentic podcast broadcast and we’ll be glad to connect. And if you’d like, we can put 20 minutes on the calendar and discuss what you got going on.
Kim-adele
03:34:40
Amazing mark. You are a joy to chat to well and make sure your details are in the show notes below. And I hope that you will come back on again and
Mark
03:34:49
Oh, gladly. I’m I’m always willing to, to share thoughts and perspectives with you, Kim
Kim-adele
03:34:55
Adele. Oh, I love it until next time. Take care.
Mark
03:34:58
You too.